hate speech against muslims in PBH

pobrecito says on Oct 10, 2008, 09:29:

For example:

http://poorbuthappy.com/yourthing/post/sweden-now-more-dangerous-than-...

De que vale la vida si cuando la tenemos parece muerta. La vida es para sentirla, para vibrar, para luchar, para combatir. Eso justifica nuestro paso por la tierra........Jaime Pardo Leal

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LDW says on Oct 10, 2008, 09:33:

Pobrecito....it say we can discuss things.

We are discussing, how in Sweden, muslims are committing hate crimes against non muslims.

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Mongo says on Oct 10, 2008, 09:40:

So your defending the muslims but not the French? Or the Americans, for that matter. There's more anti-american comments on here than any others. I guess it just matters which is the politically correct group to YOU!

Beware of dog.

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billyb says on Oct 10, 2008, 09:44:

I agree with pobrecito, let's stop hate speech against muslims and just confine it to the frenchies ;)

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LDW says on Oct 10, 2008, 09:47:

Pobrecito....Desi locked the thread because she could not refute a single thing I said with evidence.

She even admitted that she knows nothing about the subject.

She missed entirely the point that it was the hatred and intolerance of islam that I was talking about.

Like Mongo said........"There's more anti-american comments on here than any others. I guess it just matters which is the politically correct group to YOU!"

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ujay says on Oct 10, 2008, 10:09:

i like dogs ,but i hate cats,

got to go my side of pork needs turning.and got to put my bacon on top.

http://www.jukelightning.com

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gringoloid says on Oct 10, 2008, 10:13:

Anti-american bigotry is alive and well on this website...........fully supported by the moderation.

I MAKE THIS CHALLENGE TO THE OWNER AND THE THREE MODERATERS OF A DEBATE......just the five of us......in a locked thread where only we can comment.

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ujay says on Oct 10, 2008, 10:15:

make it 6 ,count me in.

http://www.jukelightning.com

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pobrecito says on Oct 10, 2008, 10:22:

Mongo said: "So your defending the muslims but not the French? Or the Americans, for that matter."

Mongo, do'nt you know there are French muslims (5,000,000) and US American muslims (7,000,000) ?

They are french and american citizens.

Your statement, as those of billyb, gringoloid, ujay, LDW, show well that some US (and Canadian) people cannot imagine there is another religion that their, from the same manner they cannot imagine that there are other ways of life and that the whole earth is not adoring the god dollar.

De que vale la vida si cuando la tenemos parece muerta. La vida es para sentirla, para vibrar, para luchar, para combatir. Eso justifica nuestro paso por la tierra........Jaime Pardo Leal

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gringoloid says on Oct 10, 2008, 10:38:

pobrecito........my statement was directed towards the moderation and how americans are treated here with respect to the rules..............

i did not make any statement concerning muslims or how any group is treated out in the real world.....only pbh.

I was agreeing with you in your OP about bigotry and the mods.

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Desi1 (Moderator) says on Oct 10, 2008, 10:40:

"Sexist or hate speech.
Don't post sexist or hate speech or content that is derogatory against certain groups of people. This doesn't mean you can't discuss things, just don't post things that are overly generalizing and hateful or sexist.

Actions:

We will delete the content.
For repeate offenders, we may delete their account. "

I'll have to agree with pobrecito .
Without defending anybody or being pro-anything or anti-anything, Peter's rules are crystal-clear.

Tasco's year and a half-old video about the disturbances in a Malmö suburb in Sweden did happen. They were mainly intitiated by schoolkids and consisted of a series of dumpster fires and stone throwing. It's been calm after that.

The video is making a mountain out of a molehill. The title is extremely misleading, neocon propaganda. Sweden more dangerous than Colombia, it's totally ludicrous and does not merit an answer.

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gringoloid says on Oct 10, 2008, 10:50:

"Peter's rules are crystal-clear."
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but his rules are awful muddy in application.

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ujay says on Oct 10, 2008, 10:59:

Don't knock the swedes I love it ,cant get it here ,I like cabbage and carrots two.

http://www.jukelightning.com

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Desi1 (Moderator) says on Oct 10, 2008, 11:08:

I love the swedes too, but you can get plenty of nabos and carrots and root cellery totally delicious!

Gringoloid, in theory we should go through every thread and remove all sexist, racist, hateful words from every post. Now, who's to decide which word is offensive and which is not? What's the criteria? This is not quantum physics neither is there a mathematical formula for it. The only thing we have to go on is our own individual perceptions of what is offensive and what is not. Being from different countries and different cultures the range is wide. Say for example, I'm from Finland, in my culture nudity is no biggie. What we consider normal nudity and perfectly kosher would draw a lawsuit in USA. Another example: name-calling, mudslinging and ad hominem may be the run-of-the-mill language usage in New York, totally inadmissible in my culture. I tend to take the middle road; taking into consideration the sensivities of different cultural user groups without removing all the fun and good bantering and kidding from the forum.

If you have a better way of handling the cultural differences then let's hear it.
Otherwise please (this is a REQUEST) stop whining about the moderation and anti-american bias here. You have to start understanding that for some people "America" is not the center of the universe. There's also such thing as America-indifference.

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dwmte7 says on Oct 10, 2008, 11:09:

nabos?

dwmte

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ujay says on Oct 10, 2008, 11:25:

Gringoloid, in theory we should go through every thread and remove all sexist, racist, hateful words from every post. Now, who's to decide which word is offensive and which is not? What's the criteria? This is not quantum


bloody hell gringoloideeeeeeeeooooooooooooo
if they done that i would never get posted.

when you in bogota ,call me.

http://www.jukelightning.com

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Desi1 (Moderator) says on Oct 10, 2008, 11:36:

I don't know what's it called in English. It's a root vegetable in the same rutabaga/swede family, but smaller and milder in taste. Our maid used to buy it at the produce market in Cali and grate it into her famous, nutritive soups.

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ujay says on Oct 10, 2008, 12:21:

desi ,looks ok ,can you smoke it as well ,i will let you know.
but mashed swedes with a knob of butter on top is hard to beat.

http://www.jukelightning.com

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Mongo says on Oct 10, 2008, 14:10:

Desi1:
"Otherwise please (this is a REQUEST) stop whining about the moderation and anti-american bias here."

I'll be happy to make my contribution to stop whining, when you request that pobrecito stop whining about muslims. That's what this thread is about-his whining.

tasco66 and LDW, from what I've seen, comment about muslim extremism, muslim terrorists, and the Koran, which is quite a bit different than "muslims" in general.
Its the same as commenting on farc, Chavez, or the bible, which are commented on here with frequency and nobody is calling that "hate" speech. In fact, tasco66 and LDW usually make their points concisely and factually, unlike pobrecito who seems to like to antagonize people by calling them "racist" all the time. He called me racist, and I really don't appreciate it since, in fact, he knows nothing at all about me!

Desi1, I think you do a good job here, and I know its not an easy one. But I don't feel like supporting pobrecito in this manner is going to help anything.

Beware of dog.

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Desi1 (Moderator) says on Oct 10, 2008, 14:36:

Pobrecito has a very irritating habit of getting personal with other posters.I don't support that at all. I support the freedom expression, but admit that there must be certain limits to it and they are expressed clearly in our rules.Tasco66 specializes on Fox News neocon political proselytism and as long as it's not offensive or contain hate speech I'm allowing it. LDW is another matter, altogether. I don't agree with your assessment of the contents of his posts: I believe they are extremely inflammatory when he's writing about islam. There can be no other purpose posting the things he does than make people reject and hate that faith. Thus it does qualify for hate speech against a certain religion and group and cannot be allowed. That's my take on it.

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ujay says on Oct 10, 2008, 14:40:

yes thats cos he just says islam,
what he should say is all reigon is nothing but bollocks.

http://www.jukelightning.com

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pobrecito says on Oct 10, 2008, 14:42:

"Pobrecito has a very irritating habit of getting personal with other posters.I don't support that at all"

And I do not support to be insulted by the rightwingnuts like tasco, billyb, LDW, mongo ...
I do not support hate, intolerance, racism, xenophobia ....

De que vale la vida si cuando la tenemos parece muerta. La vida es para sentirla, para vibrar, para luchar, para combatir. Eso justifica nuestro paso por la tierra........Jaime Pardo Leal

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Oct 10, 2008, 14:51:

pobrecito el que busca....encuentra

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Mongo says on Oct 10, 2008, 14:54:

pobrecito, how old are you???

Beware of dog.

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ujay says on Oct 10, 2008, 14:55:

pobrecito
hes 51 next month.

http://www.jukelightning.com

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Mongo says on Oct 10, 2008, 14:59:

You mean 15....right?

Beware of dog.

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jorgegdiaz says on Oct 10, 2008, 15:12:

pobrecito for moderator !!!

Democratic party or Republican party is fine......as long as theres a party!!!!!!!

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billyb says on Oct 10, 2008, 15:53:

"billyb.....quote..........."I agree with pobrecito, let's stop hate speech against muslims and just confine it to the frenchies ;)"

Obviously Desi would agree with that. She started a thread that had totally tasteless jokes about the French."


Yup, desi does have a thing against the french ;))

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gringoloid says on Oct 10, 2008, 16:18:

'The only thing we have to go on is our own individual perceptions of what is offensive and what is not. Being from different countries and different cultures the range is wide. Say for example, I'm from Finland, in my culture nudity is no biggie. What we consider normal nudity and perfectly kosher would draw a lawsuit in USA. Another example: name-calling, mudslinging and ad hominem may be the run-of-the-mill language usage in New York, totally inadmissible in my culture."

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desi, that makes perfect sense......so the rules are not decided by the rules but by a cultural-geographic distinction. so euro centric moderation feels that it is ok for europeans to pile on the ad hominem against americans, GIB-raaay, myself-caritadeangel, myself-ctg bound, etc.......yep, makes perfect sense to me.

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gringoloid says on Oct 10, 2008, 16:23:

"Otherwise please (this is a REQUEST) stop whining about the moderation and anti-american bias here."

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alright, let me get this straight.........pobrecito makes a thread about bigotry by the moderation here and you sympathize. pobrecito lives in france, i'm guessing?

i agree with him and all of a sudden it is 'whining' ...........why isn't it considered whining by him as well as others, along with me?

where does it say in the rules that an american can't ask a question?

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gringoloid says on Oct 10, 2008, 16:27:

"You have to start understanding that for some people "America" is not the center of the universe."

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I was born in eastern europe.......I now live in colombia and am receiving permanent residence some day soon.

this is perfect reasoning of the 'three blind men'....ctg bound in particular. can you show me by cut and paste where i have ever suggested that america is the center of the universe? i don't even live there.

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gringoloid says on Oct 10, 2008, 16:29:

'If you have a better way of handling the cultural differences then let's hear it.'


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yea, i have a much better way of handling the differences...........how about the moderators read, understand, and apply the rules evenly.

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ujay says on Oct 10, 2008, 16:32:

gringoloid would never say that ,after he told me this once ,

There is no centre of the universe! According to the standard theories of cosmology, the universe started with a "Big Bang" about 14 billion years ago and has been expanding ever since. Yet there is no centre to the expansion. It is the same everywhere. The Big Bang should not be visualised as an ordinary explosion. The universe is not expanding out from a centre into space. The whole universe itself is expanding and it is doing so equally at all places, as far as we can tell.

intelligent guy that gringoloid.even if he does moan a bit,lol

http://www.jukelightning.com

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billyb says on Oct 10, 2008, 16:36:

""You have to start understanding that for some people "America" is not the center of the universe."

I don't know about the rest of america, but northern california certainly is.

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Mongo says on Oct 10, 2008, 18:27:

Desi1 (Moderator) says on Oct 10, 2008, 14:36 (today): flag

"Pobrecito has a very irritating habit of getting personal with other posters.I don't support that at all. I support the freedom expression, but admit that there must be certain limits to it and they are expressed clearly in our rules.Tasco66 specializes on Fox News neocon political proselytism and as long as it's not offensive or contain hate speech I'm allowing it. LDW is another matter, altogether. I don't agree with your assessment of the contents of his posts: I believe they are extremely inflammatory when he's writing about islam. There can be no other purpose posting the things he does than make people reject and hate that faith. Thus it does qualify for hate speech against a certain religion and group and cannot be allowed. That's my take on it."



I think that's a fair answer Desi, and I appreciate it. Like I said, your job is not easy.

I've been thinking about it and I can see where Desi is coming from. She makes her decisions and some of us may not always agree, but at least she backs them up in a clear and logical manner. No matter what she does, someone will always see it as unfair. Its not going to do any good to hound her about it. In fact, it could just offend her more. For myself, at least, I'm just going to ignore pobrecito's comments from now on, and try to get with the program. After all, its not my website!

Beware of dog.

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Mongo says on Oct 10, 2008, 19:31:

Could you do her job? I could not, so Yeah I guess I am a kiss ass.

Beware of dog.

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gringoloid says on Oct 10, 2008, 19:40:

"She makes her decisions and some of us may not always agree, but at least she backs them up in a clear and logical manner"
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mongo, this does not make sense! i know you're kind of new here.......i'm too tired now to comment and this is a three day weekend in colombia........i'm off to Santa Fe.....so i'll post when i get there.

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Mongo says on Oct 10, 2008, 21:27:

gringoloid, she has answered my criticisms in what I feel is a "clear and logical manner." I can understand if you disagree. She has not antagonized or been mean to me in her responses, and I appreciate that. I don't see what the point is in 5 people ganging up on her. I don't think she's been 100% fair, but I don't think its possible to be 100% fair. There's always someone who will come crying to you with "racism" or whatever. In my case, I can just block those people.

Also, I railed about her when my "Palestinian Jokes" post was taken down. The post was put back up, so someone's not asleep at the helm. You are right, I am new and don't know who the mods are or which ones are "good" or not. I just know that I like the way she took the time to answer me and explain things to me. For example: "Pobrecito has a very irritating habit of getting personal with other posters.I don't support that at all."

I don't very often agree with Lacique, for example, but I appreciate his intellect and his debating abilities. So I hope it can be the same with others here. If they show me respect, I'll show them respect......others, I'll block.

Beware of dog.

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pobrecito says on Oct 10, 2008, 23:38:

Truth hurts.

De que vale la vida si cuando la tenemos parece muerta. La vida es para sentirla, para vibrar, para luchar, para combatir. Eso justifica nuestro paso por la tierra........Jaime Pardo Leal

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Desi1 (Moderator) says on Oct 11, 2008, 01:34:

I think you have made a wise choice, Mongo. That's what the ignore feature is here for.
One more thing, I don't do ALL the deleting and refurnishing here. All our mods have been quite active lately. (For example, I didn't delete your Palestinian jokes thread).

Gringoloid, I just feel there's no point continuing this discussion. We both have better things to do, I sure. We're four mods, including Peter, who is European and lives here. Tinto is as American as an apple pie. Kat is 100% costeñita. I'm European. So it's 50/50 between Europe and America. There's no bias, no anti-americansim, no conspiracy here. (If I were anti-American all that BS tasco666 is posting would go down the drain as soon as I'm up in the morning. Just an example)

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Desi1 (Moderator) says on Oct 11, 2008, 01:49:

Two more things:
You had a visit from under the bridge here last night. The older members are pretty fast to detect his presence by his nonsense style of posting but all of you, please DO NOT FEED HIM. Do not contribute to troll posts, unless you weant to be part of every deleted thread (some people like that). It's not only "Dragon Desi" who sends Medo packing every morning, it's whoever of us that dtects his presence first. This is nothing personal between the troll and me.

That was one.
This is the second one:
Pobrecito, you don't take personal messages, so I have to say this in public: You back off now. Stop attacking and name-calling other posters. Discuss the article, the post, the message, not the poster, the writer, the message carrier. This ad hominem will have to stop.

Other posters who engage in these verbal battles with him: ad homs are not allowed and name calling, making remarks on somebody's IQ etc is not allowed from ANYBODY.
FLAG THE OFFENSIVE COMMENTS AND WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THEM. Not shouting, using upper case for emphasis :)

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Oct 11, 2008, 09:41:

poor old you desi1 you get blame for all the deleted threads here :))))

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jorgegdiaz says on Oct 11, 2008, 09:44:

...I knew you LOVE the delete button Kat ... LOL

Democratic party or Republican party is fine......as long as theres a party!!!!!!!

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Oct 11, 2008, 09:51:

i also love the ignore one but pity i can't use it :(

oiga es que la gente se queja mas que una caja de pollos..

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jorgegdiaz says on Oct 11, 2008, 09:55:

chillan mas que un "canastao" de pollos...

¿La proxima vez que te sientas con necesidad de usar ese boton, te puedo sugerir a quien borrar ? ...

Democratic party or Republican party is fine......as long as theres a party!!!!!!!

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Oct 11, 2008, 11:12:

jejej jorge

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Desi1 (Moderator) says on Oct 11, 2008, 11:13:

Yeah kat, poor old me.

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ujay says on Oct 11, 2008, 11:43:

its a bit slow ,must be gringoloid is on route to bogota ,wonder if the trip has clamed him down ,we will know by tonight,lol.

http://www.jukelightning.com

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pobrecito says on Oct 11, 2008, 15:37:

"Pobrecito, you don't take personal messages, so I have to say this in public: You back off now. Stop attacking and name-calling other posters. Discuss the article, the post, the message, not the poster, the writer, the message carrier. This ad hominem will have to stop."

Yes, Desi but I feel like in a dream. It is not possible for me to discuss racist posts. In my country, there are laws that protect all races and such statements would lead PBH to prosecution for having not deleted them.

I suppose that in your country it is the same thing.

It is not possible that a racist can admit his errors. You want that I give them a legitimity?

De que vale la vida si cuando la tenemos parece muerta. La vida es para sentirla, para vibrar, para luchar, para combatir. Eso justifica nuestro paso por la tierra........Jaime Pardo Leal

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pobrecito says on Oct 11, 2008, 15:40:

And i think that my "ad hominem" attacks against others are not at the same level as their attacks against me.
And no I shall never consider Tasco, Billyb, LDW, ... as objects of democratic debate.
Sorry.

De que vale la vida si cuando la tenemos parece muerta. La vida es para sentirla, para vibrar, para luchar, para combatir. Eso justifica nuestro paso por la tierra........Jaime Pardo Leal

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dwmte7 says on Oct 11, 2008, 20:24:

whew.....sure glad all that's settled.

dwmte

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Desi1 (Moderator) says on Oct 12, 2008, 10:54:

As long as the aforementioned persons are members with right to post here you will show them either the same respect as with anybody else or just ignore them, since you will not debate with them.

Discussing a religion is always a touchy topic and I would rather avoid this altogether. However, there's a difference when you discuss a religion (scholarly discussion) and when you engage in mudcasting against the practitioners of a certain religion.

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ujay says on Oct 12, 2008, 11:03:

i must be ok then ,i dont pick out a certain religion ,
i just say the whole lot is bollocks.

http://www.jukelightning.com

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Oct 12, 2008, 11:27:

THAT'S OK UJAY, But not everybody think like you, so we must rerspect other people belief.

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ujay says on Oct 12, 2008, 11:48:

I just got back from church i do go
,all the family do, so I go with them ,
But I go to see father Sanchez,
He sells me the cheapest viraga ,and my basuco for the week,and he even blesses it so its good stuff.

http://www.jukelightning.com

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dwmte7 says on Oct 13, 2008, 10:56:

ujay....if you are actually speaking of a sacerdote....please show some respect.

dwmte

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Monpirri says on Oct 13, 2008, 18:27:

I would like to know why "Restaurants in Medellin" was deleted? Was it because the content had things against the rules or was the motive or the deletion caused by a personal issue?

The life spam of a taste bud is ten days

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rocinante says on Oct 13, 2008, 21:02:

What do you think?

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Not that the US president actually runs the US." Feb 5, 2008

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ujay says on Oct 13, 2008, 22:53:

dwt
if your in bogota ,come over i will take you meet him ,hes easy to find ,1st you check out side around the basketball court ,then you look across the road at the bar ,now if you dont see him ,only then we go the church.

http://www.jukelightning.com

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dwmte7 says on Oct 14, 2008, 05:13:

cute

dwmte

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gringoloid says on Oct 14, 2008, 09:09:

i thought this thread would be deleted by the time i returned from santa fe ..........glad it wasn't..

it was a 3 day weekend here and i have some catching up to do........talk to you guys later.

doug, last week i was in llano grande for the first time........really nice, i'll pm you about it.

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papiChulo says on Oct 15, 2008, 00:09:

gLoid... did you have a good weekend and a good run in your new car mate? I hope you have a new reality in your life. You deserve it my friend... see you soon.

some of the rudest people I know don't smoke

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pobrecito says on Oct 15, 2008, 05:58:

trolls ...

De que vale la vida si cuando la tenemos parece muerta. La vida es para sentirla, para vibrar, para luchar, para combatir. Eso justifica nuestro paso por la tierra........Jaime Pardo Leal

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