English Instruction, Medellin, 'Foreign Woman' Scam?

gimmedub says on Aug 26, 2008, 10:26:

the price sounds reasonable if it's a semi-private class - why not ask her the name of the school, the school's phone #, and the instructor so you can talk to them as well...

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Lauthra says on Aug 26, 2008, 10:33:

The price and length of the course does sound about right. Not to keen on the fact that she believes you should be paying for it... Do do what gimmedub suggest. Trust is something you earn.

Nato (='.'=)

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dwmte7 says on Aug 26, 2008, 10:43:

woah....you only know this lady via internet? not even. wait til you get to know her and meet her. the age difference might be something which inflates the aging ego, but doesn't do shit for the long haul. so many foreigners get caught up with this delima and find themselves excited by the thrills of young lovers. well, give reality a check. how old are you and how old is she? where is this going? you should think of investing in someone/something when you know who/what they are. before that, it's like the blind man changing his eyes for sight. friend, i'm no spring chicken, been married to a colombiana 15 yrs younger than me for near 20 years. it has not been easy. i wouldn't change it, but as we all know, hindsight is 20/20. so give some real good think to and about all this. are you looking for a life mate or a tumble in the hay. if you want companionship for the long haul, statististics are not on your side.

i can only proffer suggestions from the 'peanut gallery'...but ya know, we see a lot from up here. slow down, wait and see who this is and really where it's going before you buy it.

all the best, friend,
douglas

dwmte

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papiChulo says on Aug 26, 2008, 10:51:

wait till you meet her 1st and see if she's somebody you want to be with... then pay for the classes if you think its a good idea.

paz

some of the rudest people I know don't smoke

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jonas says on Aug 26, 2008, 11:16:

Paypal must have been invented by Paisas...

Mi alma se la dejo al diablo

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toneloc24 says on Aug 26, 2008, 11:35:

Umm.

Here's a FREE online English course to get her started. If she can complete this, and prove this to you, and you're still together, then help her out. IF she's serious, this shouldn't be a problem. It would show initiative on her part, and what kind of person you're really dealing with, esp. since no money involved.

http://sis.senavirtual.edu.co/ingles/index.html

If she gripes about it........therein lies your answer.

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

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embery5 says on Aug 26, 2008, 11:51:

Thanks very much to everyone who's posted so far. This is all very helpful.

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gorgonabob says on Aug 26, 2008, 12:08:

try this out with her......tell her you have a friend in medellin whos going to pay for the course directly.... send me the money, seriously, or some other foreigner here and she can come around here with the receipt from the school and the bank account number and well deposit it directly into the schools bank account... plenty of foreigners here who would help out im sure.. just tell her that you have a friend here or something.. or ask her the name of the institute and ill look into it if you want

ten months would sound normal 6 hours a week perhaps with 10-15 other people...several levels

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eywed says on Aug 26, 2008, 12:49:

Girls in Medellin will get you a receipt, transscripts or what ever else you need for proof the whole time there just taking you for a ride and taking your money. Meet her first. Do not send her a penny till then. These girls know scam after scam.

Ay Hombe!!!!!

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tabla says on Aug 26, 2008, 12:56:

You would be crazy to send money to the girl before you have met her. I think it would be a mistake to pay even the school. She may genuinely want to take the course. That doesn't prove she's going to be the right one for you. Just too many pitfalls that may show up in the process of meeting her. Is there any reason you can't meet her soon? Spend a few weeks with her. Then make your decisions.

Checking on the school is a good idea because if she fails that test, you have learnt something important. However I am not a great believer in game playing.

Good luck!

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Bill Turley (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 26, 2008, 12:59:

gringoloid says on Aug 26, 2008, 13:37:

and yet another una paloma gringo

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jonas says on Aug 26, 2008, 13:52:

And what if she is not even a she? jeje

Mi alma se la dejo al diablo

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nbenjamin says on Aug 26, 2008, 14:23:

Give the guy a break.

That sounds about right. A friend of mine is taking courses in English right now. She pays 250 pesos a month (so $ 130.00). She attends class 5 days a week for about 2.5 hours a day. But there is a holiday every other week in Medellin. I hope this helps - if you are interested I will get you the name of the university. I saw the stuff she was learning pretty advanced.

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YankeeInMDE says on Aug 26, 2008, 14:39:

When someone you don't even know personally asks for money, regardless of the reason, something is wrong. Next thing ya know you'll be hearing about the old 'sick grandmother' who needs emergency surgery.

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sloopskipper says on Aug 26, 2008, 14:40:

I don't know if you can compare, but a Colombian friend here in Panamá is in a full 5 course load degree program, including English, for $200 per month, at Universidad Intermamericana.

But cost aside, all the red flags posted here make sense, especially for someone you have not even met, whether the school is legit or not.

That is not an uncommon request in Latin America.

But, if you would decide to go forward, ask if you can pay the school DIRECTLY. Most likely she will say no.

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gringoloid says on Aug 26, 2008, 14:41:

yea, we're just trying to shake him up............as some of us, including me, have also made mistakes like that.

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sloopskipper says on Aug 26, 2008, 14:45:

Tell me about it loid, jaja.

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gringoloid says on Aug 26, 2008, 14:46:

i think the price is a fair one........that's not my point though.

does she want learn english because she thinks she may be moving to the usa soon with the OP? is moving to the usa more on her mind than the OP?

just checking.

this relationship is going just way to fast............

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bhill says on Aug 26, 2008, 14:59:

I don't know how well the OP speaks Spanish... Perhaps she just wants to be able to communicate with him better. I don't think some strong desire to move to the US soon can be inferred without more info.

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chingon says on Aug 26, 2008, 15:01:

I personally would never send any money to any one on a request like that. What is it with north americans ( or any other where else that is) that think they are absolved of being scammed. Men have two heads, only one thinks at the same time ( not my line).

When I first moved to mexico ( soon to colombia). My friends here said not to date any girl that is not the same status as you ( education, socieconoic). It holds true... I mean come on, meeting a girl on the internet... really?

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Sonny says on Aug 26, 2008, 15:42:

simple truth.............................Take the time to fly there, meet her, get to know her and her family and then do what you feel is the right thing. All of us here have been bit in the butt in one form or the other. It is not that costly to go there. Hotels are cheap, people are great, food is good and the truth will be free.

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gringoloid says on Aug 26, 2008, 15:46:

there was once a guy here named GIB who gave me some of the best advice about colombian women that i've had......,

"whenever a girl in colombia asks for money for any reason, especially when you first meet her, just turn around and walk away......permanently."

best advice i've ever had here at pbh.

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Hostal Tamarindo says on Aug 26, 2008, 15:56:

If you decide to pay for the course make a direct wire transfer to the university's account.

Natalie Cobo - Hostal Tamarindo, Medellín

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joelg says on Aug 26, 2008, 16:14:

give her a stress test and see how she reacts. tell her the truth, that you feel a little uneasy about sending her money at this stage of your relationship. how she responds to that simple statement may tell you alot about her.

a classy, mature response is what you would hope for, no? something like, "i totally understand, don't give it a second thought. i am a little disappointed, but i understand. i don't want you to send me anything until you are sure about it. in the meantime, i love talking to you, etc., etc., and can't wait to meet you in person some day."

if she starts to pressure you (but the semester starts next week...., i already told my mother about it...., but you promised, etc.), then it's a good indication she is more interested in your money than your pretty face. at that juncture, if you don't walk away, in my experience it may suggest you're in a bit of denial, may have some self-esteem issues, etc.??? excuse the amateur psychology, especially if i'm off base.

of course you are more attractive to women here because your foreign, and perceived as a window to many opportunities, but there are plenty of classy women here who have an excellent value system and would never ask you for money (although they'll accept it without hesitation if you offer). good luck, and don't sell yourself short!

do what you like, take risks, build something

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eywed says on Aug 26, 2008, 16:17:

And make sure the girl cant get the money back if she drops the course. Yes it's happened before. Make sure the fee cant be transfered to another student. SCAMS !!!!

Ay Hombe!!!!!

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gringoloid says on Aug 26, 2008, 16:21:

he's damned either way.............if he gives in, he's setting himself up for more later and handing the power into her hands........ if he says no than he's still fokked. i think he may have been giving her signals that he would be open to it, and if that's the case, it's his fault.

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dwmte7 says on Aug 26, 2008, 16:34:

personally...i'd just put some bait on the line and see what comes up next. for someone to ask for money without knowing each other is like the key to scam heaven. i may be wrong, but something rings awry here.

dwmte

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truthspeaker says on Aug 26, 2008, 16:58:

gringoloid says on Aug 26 (today):

"there was once a guy here named GIB who gave me some of the best advice about colombian women that i've had......,
"whenever a girl in colombia asks for money for any reason, especially when you first meet her, just turn around and walk away......permanently."
best advice i've ever had here at pbh."

So, it has been awhile since your last woman or you just do not follow advices?

Remember, I can only tell the truth. No more Sex Tourism in Colombia.

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paulr says on Aug 26, 2008, 17:15:

I did the leave (counted) money in a few places test, not much, just a few thousand peso and count it when she leaves.

"paulr threatens me with death !" pobrecito

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gringoloid says on Aug 26, 2008, 17:58:

not sure if i understand your point truthspeaker.........

if a woman that you don't know very well asks you for money, ipods, breast implants, ass implants, plane tickets, gifts, english lessons...........you just turn around and walk away. I''ve been asked for all of these things in Bogota by one woman or another......(not english lessons though.....that is a new one on me)

i have three girlfriends here in medellin..........traffic stoppers with more than a 25 year age difference between us, and one with a 35 year age difference.................i've only spent money on them at the food court at the malls and i paid there taxi fares late at night. That's it, nothing else. They've proven their worth to me already without buying them anything.

truthspeaker............and this is the truth.............you don´t have to pay for sex, love, romance, companionship, a wife, etc, ............if you know how to play the game.

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gringoloid says on Aug 26, 2008, 18:10:

wrong byron..............for those in the know, women want their emotional buttons pushed.......they´re dying for but they can´t seem to find it from you wimps who think they have to buy someones love.

does Dale Carnegie tell you to buy someones friendship?

the women that i go out with are with me for me, not for what i buy them........they don´t respect you guys that are trying to buy their way into their pants.

i also never call these women just to talk..............i get a call from all three every day. i do call them for logistics.

byron, you don´t have to pay for sex!!!!!!!

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gringoloid says on Aug 26, 2008, 18:39:

yes you are a wimp.

here you go equating sex with gifts: your quote: "you're just being a cheapskate if you only want to buy them something to eat so they will have sex with you.'"

you wimps can only equate what you can buy women for sex.

dude, it's all about hitting their emotional buttons not buying their love. they have no respect for you once they know they have you wrapped around their fingers. it's a question of knowing what women want.

another point of yours is wrong...............i've never been to a womans place for dinner in two years in colombia....................I DO ALL THE COOKING. .......................It can't get any hotter than the babe that just left my apartment.......I wish i had a picture.........she came over and i cooked her dinner, she then fokked my brains out, and then left. i did pay her taxi fare home. she would come over tomorrow night if i let her.

this woman could be with any guy in medellin, so why was she here for me, for free? She could be with any of you wimps willing to buy her dinner somewhere but she chose something else, why is that?

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paulr says on Aug 26, 2008, 18:43:

We all pay in some form, free sex is more expensive..Apparently?. I have respect for ladies of course but if they want to play games on how to get money from you, surely a man can play his game if he knows he´s being played..If that makes sense?

"paulr threatens me with death !" pobrecito

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gringoloid says on Aug 26, 2008, 18:44:

it''s funny because tejasmarcos and i had this very same conversation at lunch today..........we were talking about how all these gringos are paying for sex and losing.

i'll tell you though...........i took courses since the 1980s on how to deal with women.........here is one guy that has it all together....

http://doubleyourdating.com/

as TJ and I concluded today, everything that you pbh guys are doing with women is wrong. it's no surprise to me that 90% of the marriages through A Foreign Affair that the OP talks about end in divorce.

as dave deangelo states..............lose your inner wussy, develop your cocky humor, know what a woman wants..........

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rocinante says on Aug 26, 2008, 19:32:

The fact that grown men - even men over grown - are talking about how to handle and date women is a true testament as to what the real problem is. These types of conversations I had in highschool.

If you haven't figured it our by now I guess it's obvious why you can't get laid in your own country. I apologize in advance to any highschoolers posting in this thread.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Not that the US president actually runs the US." Feb 5, 2008

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gringoloid says on Aug 26, 2008, 20:05:

you guys are all just jealous............go ahead heap on the ad hominem.............i didn't start it ....someone else did............

truthseeker..........that's exactly right..............these guys do what they've always done and they're going to get what they've always gotten.........

it all comes down to self-esteem.............less than 5% of americans have enough to be successful in life. when you have it.....it's very easy to spot people that don't have it.

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gringoloid says on Aug 26, 2008, 20:20:

truth seeker.............you know where i live............c'mon over tomorrow morning.........and meet one of them...........

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gringoloid says on Aug 26, 2008, 20:25:

it would figure that you guys are in the same group with Kalico, better known as medoblado, who had a relationship here with clyde that didn't work out.........yea, it-s all clear now......

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gringoloid says on Aug 26, 2008, 20:46:

You can tell that guy Mark to come over whenever he wants as I need some people to speak english to. It's tough for me to speak spanish all the time as I'm not that good.

That storm was ugly......pulled all the plugs out of tv s and computers.

This building is not that bad but I was worried about an electrical strike.

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manINred says on Aug 26, 2008, 20:57:

this is fun, the bragging game. Well I win, my colombian traffic stopper pays me to go all over the world, lol.

i'm the male prepago, minus the surgery

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manINred says on Aug 26, 2008, 21:04:

lol, on a bus is when i pay.

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manINred says on Aug 26, 2008, 21:05:

anyway, when travelling across continents,. a bus obviously isn't an option.

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manINred says on Aug 26, 2008, 21:14:

haha, truthseeker, what I wrote obviously irritates you to the point of making a personal attack insinuating that I'm gay. You are obviously rubbish at determining the truth, so i suggest you find another name ;)

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huskie says on Aug 26, 2008, 21:18:

Stay as far away from her as possible. A decent girl would not be asking money from a guy, she does not even know.....not even if she knows him!!!! Stay clear and present danger
Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

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Ken says on Aug 26, 2008, 21:22:

Hey Buddy

Sorry to say this, but the one thing about latin women in a 3rd world country, but espescially ones a lot younger than you, is, but even ones your age, is they are interested in you (I assume your a gringo, or maybe at least a semi-gringo) for one of either 2 things:

1. A green Card
2. The green stuff in your wallet.

Take a look at the latin women on the single sites in Miami, where the girls already have green cards and there own job. They're usually interested in Latin guys thier own age, or very slightly littke older.

I 've had girlfirends in Cuba, Colombia , Peru and Honduras. Besides the one in Honduras, I always hear "Yo te amo" "Yo quiero amoro no quiero dinero", or "Los hombres Latinos son todos Machistas" but the words are always different from the actions. Not longer before they try "pushing the envelope" to get what they can from you.Right now I have a relationship with a Colombian women. She religious, and doesn't believe in Sex before marriage. But she's not afraid to ask for Plata. So if we get married, and she's not a virgin, I'm gonna sue her for all the money I spent on her.

So you'r e even in a worse situation. You haven't even seen this girl, so you don't have a chance of getting any. Heck, for all you know she might even be a guy. Maybe she/he's not even in Colombia. Might be aguy in Lagos Nigeria. Believe me, that happencs too.

My recommendation is don't send her/he a nickel, buddy.

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christobeldawg says on Aug 26, 2008, 21:37:

I know gringoloid, and he is what he says he is, and he is not bragging, only trying to help those who keep tripping over their own feet. Funny how people here react to what he says

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

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gringoloid says on Aug 26, 2008, 21:39:

maNINred...........you started the ad hominem........what do you expect?

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manINred says on Aug 26, 2008, 21:44:

The only closet I came out of was the closet of fabulousness! kidding aside, I'm not gay, but you can believe that I am if you wish.

gringoloid, I did not start the ad hominem in this thread. I did exacerbate it though. In fact, what I wrote was tongue-in-cheek.. It was supposed to be both amusing and hypocritical, and if it caused you offence, I apologize, not my intention, just a bit of humour. The reaction I got was amusing, internet jealousy, which in and of itself is slightly sad.

On the topic I agree that sending money to a person you don't know is stupid. Many people do it, and most of them get screwed over.

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gringoloid says on Aug 26, 2008, 21:50:

Actually, this is a high percentage of correct answers......(people with high self'esteem that is)

Take a look at the comments that say don´t send money to strangers compared to the wimps and rednecks who try to justify their lack of self esteem by trying to buy their way into a womans heart and failing............along with shovelling the ad hom towards me because deep down they know they're non competitive with women.

Even huskie, who i know is a woman, is not saying soak the man for everything he´s got.

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manINred says on Aug 26, 2008, 22:02:

"This guy and Medellin Traveller could start a gay bar or restaurant here that serves Mexican food. Not a bad idea"

Hey, if it makes money, why not?

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gringoloid says on Aug 26, 2008, 22:09:

C Dawg............I just read your comment...........how right you are............and thanks a lot for getting my point.

I´m in no way bragging...........after a lot of trial and error........I found that most things men do in pursuing women is working against them. 90% of men have no idea how sexual attraction works.

I mean look at this thread............'should i send money to a total stranger that i{ve never met'? Is she going to love me more now that I've sent her the money? Gringoloid, you're a cheapskate!

there are some poeple here who are very good friends of mine who are going through a divorce...........it really hurts me to see this.

Besides, I hate lawyers.

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Titofijo says on Aug 26, 2008, 22:10:

I thought there were no attacks on this site, allowed

ManINred 's or Medellin Travellers homosexuality is none of anyones busy

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Titofijo says on Aug 26, 2008, 22:13:

Gringoloid --- Any divorces in the past?

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gringoloid says on Aug 26, 2008, 22:13:

truthseeker................i´m 58 years old........long past my prime.........i've never been married.

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manINred says on Aug 26, 2008, 22:15:

I'm actually starting to sympathize with gringoloid.

While I find the unfounded premise that I am gay more amusing than annoying, it is interesting to see the negativity (or ad-hominem) directed towards me after writing about my table-turning experience in Colombia.

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christobeldawg says on Aug 26, 2008, 22:17:

gloid, how's it going? I know that there are more like 3% of men who get it, what you are trying to tell 'em.

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

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manINred says on Aug 26, 2008, 22:18:

Now, some free advice for the stud wannabe whore-mongers... this advice will help you NOT get played in Colombia:

Learn Spanish well, in doing so you will be well on your way to understanding a bit about the culture, and you will be able to better decipher when you are being taken advantage of or not, as the case may be.

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gringoloid says on Aug 26, 2008, 22:20:

it's a long story........but what women really want is a guy that they can't possibly control. you'll get more ass than a toilet seat if you understand this concept.

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christobeldawg says on Aug 26, 2008, 22:24:

jaja it is easy to get caught up in what this OP is worrying over, but women don't generally want what they say they want from a guy. I mean, they may mean what they say, about how they want a really nice guy, respectfuf, giving, loving etc., but that idea is not what really gets them excited.

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

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christobeldawg says on Aug 26, 2008, 22:28:

OP, my only advice to you is too be nice and genuine, but be a bit of a challenge to her.
and do not pay for the english class at this time, no way.

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

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gringoloid says on Aug 26, 2008, 22:32:

i'm not saying in any way to disrespect a woman.............just balance your own needs with hers. the OP knows that he shouldn´t be buying english lessons

take a look at byron up above who is practically shouting insecurity with his fear of cooking a meal for a woman.........i can see it now............'Woman, get the dinner on the table! '

a womans need for security is probably her greatest need. should she get sick she´ll know that a guy who can cook will be able to take care of her........it{s all primal.

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gringoloid says on Aug 26, 2008, 22:44:

yea, i agree, woman want the opposite of what they say they want.

but i don't agree with these marriage agencies the OP talks about. i think that's a horrible way to meet people for marriage, even though a good friend of mine in MDE owns one.

he needs to get some game first..............along with the guys delivering ad hom towards me above.

gringos think that because these colombianas are so polite that they're easier pickins are totally wrong.................it takes the same skills here to be successful.

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christobeldawg says on Aug 26, 2008, 22:47:

and be willing to walk, if things don't appear right, any step along the way. We are not out to lead you astray, it's just that getting too caught up in one woman, particularly meeting on the internet, and giving too much to her, too quickly, despite how nice she may be, is not likely productive for either of you, even if you two get together.

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

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gringoloid says on Aug 26, 2008, 22:50:

cdawg.........................the OP should tell us how this whole thing worked out and what course he took.

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christobeldawg says on Aug 26, 2008, 22:53:

the marriage agency women are not all bad, but certainly they have an obvious agenda, because that is why they joined. Gloid, one thing we both know though, is that most of the men who meet someone on the internet, or join the agencies, are not interested in learning the culture, and being a part of that, they only want to come and pick one up. That never works, from what I have observed. These women are western world women, and they may seem interested in that, but remember, they have seen the same romance movies that we have, and they are also as likely to be feminists as any of the US women. If you are truly interested in a Colombian woman, as a potential mate, go there, get to know the country, get to know their families, let the family know you are willing to live there if that is best for the two of you. The mail order bride idea is a hoax for a country like Colombia.

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

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manINred says on Aug 26, 2008, 22:54:

" I feel like an ass checking it out."

The last thing you should feel like is an ass. You have never met this girl, you owe her nothing.

Based on the fact that you have never met her AND the fact that she is audatious enough to ask you for money, it is only natural that certain suspicions should dwell in your mind.

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christobeldawg says on Aug 26, 2008, 22:56:

g loid, but they never do. It's like stock pickers, they only tell us of their successes, never their losses. I am still waiting for somone to prove to me that have beaten Buffet's annual return over the past 25 years mas o menos.

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

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gringoloid says on Aug 26, 2008, 22:56:

you know, here is a post i wrote almost a year ago about a guy who came to colombia with a cat. here's the end of the story...........this woman threw him out through a police action.......

he then found some other silly woman and married her at san andres at a restaurant table. she turned out to be a visa hunter and he did not make enough money to be able to take her back along with her two boys.

after all of this, he was completely out of money as he only had a $1100 social security check to live on.

his wife wound up in Peru...........he went back to the states............they never got divorced. what a mess.

http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/the-message-is-not-getting-throu...

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manINred says on Aug 26, 2008, 23:01:

" are not interested in learning the culture, and being a part of that, they only want to come and pick one up. That never works, from what I have observed"

The cat's out of the bag. This is one of the prime fundamental flaws of wife-picking in Colombia. Spread the word, it will save many a man heartbreak.

And if they take the advice and still fail, at least they'll end up learning another language, so they haven't lost too much.

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gringoloid says on Aug 26, 2008, 23:02:

you´re not a bad guy, maninred.......takes a strong person to admit a mistake.

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manINred says on Aug 26, 2008, 23:04:

I'm not sure which mistake you're referring to, but thanks.

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christobeldawg says on Aug 26, 2008, 23:05:

well, everybody thinks they are going to beat the odds, and break the rules, but the only proven successes I have seen were with men that first embraced the culture, had been in Colombia a number of times, to visit, or had lived there. The come down and pick her up idea, bring her back to the states idea I have never seen work for long. The law of attraction, and the general principles that make a marriage work, are no different in Colombia than anywhere else. If you can't get a date in the US, then you are not going to shortchange things by going to Colombia.

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

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gringoloid says on Aug 26, 2008, 23:10:

i know a thing or two about the english language....................send her over to me for awhile....i´ll teach her english.......

and with that......it´s good night all............sorry if anyone found me offensive tonight.

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christobeldawg says on Aug 26, 2008, 23:15:

night gloid, you were no more offensive than usual lol

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

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dwmte7 says on Aug 27, 2008, 06:12:

what a pity.....this is what the women of colombia receive from the outside world..

dwmte

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ElCheAmericano says on Aug 27, 2008, 10:24:

sounds like bullshit to me, dont send the money.

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mranderson says on Aug 27, 2008, 10:33:

Wait I just remembered. I´m an english teacher. Send me the money!

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embery5 says on Aug 27, 2008, 12:41:

Again, my sincere thanks to all who have taken the time to provide this newbie with information and insight. I have sorted through all the advice implemented a strategy. It will be interesting to observe the result. Mahalo. Mahalo.

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truthspeaker says on Aug 27, 2008, 16:21:

truthseeker, do us a favor and leave already to Nassau.

Remember, I can only tell the truth. No more Sex Tourism in Colombia.

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dwmte7 says on Aug 27, 2008, 18:28:

may ye both, seek and speak the truth...............................

dwmte

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Titofijo says on Aug 27, 2008, 19:24:

Go to Nassau , already

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Titofijo says on Aug 27, 2008, 19:25:

Truthseeker is going to Nassau ?

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lanegrapaisa says on Aug 27, 2008, 19:55:

Dude, DO NOT SEND HER MONEY!.
I know whereof I speak. If she really wants to study English she can do it online at EL SENA for free!. Please don't become yet another statistic, another gringo who lets his little head do the thinking and then goes off to talk about the black magic woman who did him wrong.

oh that cement is just, it's there for the weight, dear

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dwmte7 says on Aug 28, 2008, 05:37:

friend, i did....to seek the truth......that being found, light will be shed in all those murky--potentially heartbreaking--shadows. as you, i and others well know. the path to marriage is littered with the bones of those who avoided good council and chose to follow their 'head'. which, by the way, is rarely a good source of guidance. that 'snake in the grass' devil is in league with women's secret powers and damn near guaranteed to lead us astray.

i can only bid our brother, fare well...... i have been a casualty on that road sooooo many times...who am i to council?

dwmte

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