Cutting a page out of a Passport, could this work?

mrgizmo says on Oct 1, 2008, 15:29:

Are you basically asking us if it's ok to commit fraud? If you cut one page doesn't the other end of the page fall off?

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cazadorez says on Oct 1, 2008, 15:31:

Yes you can cut it out easily, but it is a violation and against the law to deface or change anything on a US passport. Plus I dont think it will help because no matter what, you are in the system showing what days you entered and what days you left. So what would it help to have that page ripped out???

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cricket101 says on Oct 1, 2008, 15:36:

Well I was under the impression that the only method DAS has to see how many days you've been in the country is looking at your passport. I have only see them literally count them up by paper and have heard this from others.

The question is in regards to whether or not this would permit an extension of the 180 days.

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Azul says on Oct 1, 2008, 15:38:

I thought that they track your entry and exit in their computer system....I wouldn't try it.

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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) says on Oct 1, 2008, 15:40:

They scan all passports with a bar code reader when you enter and exit. I doubt you'd do anything but get in trouble. Besides, you would be in danger of voiding your passport.

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vicshere says on Oct 1, 2008, 15:42:

they keep track of your entries on their system..they are usually too lazy to look it up


tear a page out of your passport.....thats a good one......is this your first passprot in your life...the pages are numbered duhhhhhhhh

listo

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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) says on Oct 1, 2008, 15:43:

"is this your first passprot in your life"

Maybe citizen X is Sarah Palin ;)

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strata2woman says on Oct 1, 2008, 15:52:

Colombianogringo says "Maybe citizen X is Sarah Palin "
I'm LOL, what a great and funny comment. You turned my crazy day into a belly of laughs, Thanks.

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ujay says on Oct 1, 2008, 16:22:

you could do it,but as soon as they put your number in the computer ,it will show up ,then you get some shit.

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MaFe says on Oct 1, 2008, 17:03:

It's in the system...DON't do it...just go and get an extension...

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dwmte7 says on Oct 1, 2008, 17:25:

i think you've answered your own question.....tear out a page of your passport.....nah, common, be serious. like the person above said, they're numbered. and the data is all input into their servers. so don't be dumb over and above foolish. in twenty years of going in and out, i've NEVER seen one of the agents NOT do due dilligence. the always go on their computers and input the info. to say that das is lazy is simply not true. a pain in the ass? yes, but lazy, no.

and they, or any country will report your defacing the document to u.s. authorities, as it's a crime. and they love hassling you just like police anywhere.

dwmte

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sloopskipper says on Oct 1, 2008, 17:27:

What a question!

Have you never travelled before?

I think you'll quickly find that "You ain't in Kansas anymore, Dorthy!".

Maybe you'd like to explore Colombian jails?

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Ctg Bound says on Oct 1, 2008, 17:46:

cricket101,

DAS will give a print out of your entry and exits if asked for from their computer system, I needed one for something in 2007, they had all my entires and exits for Colombia from 2000 onwards registered.

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jonas says on Oct 1, 2008, 17:55:

which is why even "losing" your passport and showing up with a different passport/different number shall not work. What you should do (if possible) is come back beginning of October and spend the 90 days left of the 180 total. Then for new years leave Ecuador or Venezuela and start with a new 180 days for the new year. Or take some studies and get the student visa.

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Ctg Bound says on Oct 1, 2008, 17:58:

jonas,

Yep, I changed my passport in 2005, but has all the entries registered even though I only gave them my new passport number.

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Wastelandlive says on Oct 1, 2008, 18:58:

That's a funny one... try it. You're liable to get a very uncomfortable interrogation, followed by a BIG pain in the ass as you head back to the Embassy to get a valid passport.

Take another look at your passport sometime: how many anti-fraud devices can you find? Why do you think countries care so much?

Wasteland

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Cheers Terry says on Oct 1, 2008, 19:04:

Dumbest OP here in a long time.

Cheers,
Terry

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Gator says on Oct 1, 2008, 19:22:

The have the DAS computer which is on their desks-you make up you own excuse.

At least we all know where the experssion "gringo estupido" comes from.

Might as well learn this too: El cárcel es magnífico. Mucho mejor que mi hotel.
Nice jail you got. Much better than my hotel room.

"Credidi pretio parvo emere et magno vendere tibi in animo fuisse!" .

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calipro says on Oct 1, 2008, 19:46:

Nobody is going to throw you in jail for tearing out a page from you passport but it won't work.

Like Gator says you are in the computer system of DAS and they will know when you arrived and when you left it's as simple as that.

Plenty of people overstay their visas in Colombia and just pay a fine. The fine is really no big problem.

The real problem is that if you overstay by months or years because they will often threaten not to let you back in the country for a year or more. That in my book is a much stiffer punishment that a few hundred dollar fine.

I have heard of guys negociating their fine with DAS even before they have overstayed their visas.

If you are going to be in Cali I can recommend a guy that can help you out with that.

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cricket101 says on Oct 1, 2008, 20:02:

what is the fine for overstaying 11 days?

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sillybutt says on Oct 1, 2008, 20:17:

180 days?!?! WOW...I thought it was 90. I can only stay for 90 due to my job, but 180 is great to keep in mind!!!

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calipro says on Oct 1, 2008, 20:34:

"What is the fine for overstaying 11 days?"

Well if you are paying your fine in Cali before your visa has expired it won't be much because I have a friend that can take you to DAS and get it done cheap.

Otherwise I would plan on paying two or three hundred dollars maybe even more if you just show up at the airport with an expired visa not to mention rebooking fees if you can't make your flight.

Bottom line is you have to pay what ever it is that they say you have to pay. That is why it is soooo much better to pay the fine before hand while you can make a deal.

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cricket101 says on Oct 1, 2008, 20:41:

thanks, anyone have any insight into doing this in bogota?

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vicshere says on Oct 1, 2008, 21:17:

oh thats diferent....just pull em out ....them dumb SOBs dont know what they are doing over there

listo

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Ctg Bound says on Oct 2, 2008, 04:55:

cricket101,

You can overstay for years, the fine will just be potentially bigger.

If you don't have a contact who knows somebody at DAS, just ask a friend who is a good negotiator, it doesn't have to be anybody special to get the fine down.

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scumbuster says on Oct 2, 2008, 05:06:

I had to have a passport replaced once. It was stolen in Russia. In this case when you apply for a replacement passport do you get new passport #? I know you need new pictures. If its a new passport # issued with the new passport, when you go home to the US you could send in for a replacement passport. The problem with all of this is how many rules and regs. you are breaking throughout this process. Here in the US and in Colombia.

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dwmte7 says on Oct 2, 2008, 05:14:

i've dealt with the 'overstay' problem on many occassions....play and pay is the rule. the times it was for a few days/weeks, the fine was modest...but to my knowledge, it cannot be dealt with at the airport. you have to go to DAS.

one time i overstayed 2 1/2 years and the fine was 3 days sitting at DAS in bogota and $450.00 ( or -). the biggest pain was them making me sit there for three days.

dwmte

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rocinante says on Oct 2, 2008, 05:16:

What is that little small circular colored sticker DAS used to put on the back of your passport when exiting Colombia? It used to contain a hand written number. Does anyone know what this was used for? I never asked.

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Ctg Bound says on Oct 2, 2008, 05:23:

scumbuster,

Already covered above:

Ctg Bound says on Oct 1, 2008, 17:58: flag

jonas,

Yep, I changed my passport in 2005, but has all the entries registered even though I only gave them my new passport number

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jorgegdiaz (☼Travelguide writer) says on Oct 2, 2008, 05:24:

rocinante says on Oct 2, 2008, 05:36:

The unreal part is this guy thinks that DAS is using hammer and chisel in the record keeping department and that they are going by what is in a passport, flipping through the pages and manually tallying things upon entering the country. They use computers and Colombia is not some backwater.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Not that the US president actually runs the US." Feb 5, 2008

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Lowell says on Oct 2, 2008, 12:04:

One of the reports required to get my new visa showed all my travels during the last 5 yrs. Even non Colombia travels.

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Sonny says on Oct 3, 2008, 05:50:

let the guy remove the pages. If he thinks it will help him let him do it and end this. Who really cares if he alters his passport or not? It is stupid to even consider doing something so retarded.

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