Chavez made it against the Rightist, Classicist, Thiefs & US Multinationals

Mike7 says on Aug 16, 2004, 06:44:

I mean "thieves" and "Colombia"; I am still partying... Likewise, the issue of the Anticonstitutional Uribe election should be decided in a referendum, not by a crony Congress.

Take it easy!
Mike

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juanalejo says on Aug 16, 2004, 09:30:

Chavez made it???? The day Chavez decides to make it against the US multinationals, would be the day he cuts any type of relationships with them meaning no oil sales to the US, and he is far from doing that as he and his friends would suddenly run out of money for all their doings. Many wrong things happen around here, but two bads do not do one good, and just because you personally have something against the US does not mean that you should applaude an ignorant leader like Mr. Chavez simply because he has a big mouth. Americans and Europeans alike each in their own side have tried to convinced us which is the RIGHT or LEFT way for us Latinamericans to become better, not understanding that your narrow way of thinking has lead us where we are now. I am glad that in my country we have leaders like Uribe and Lucho Garzon which are extremely popular although in a different political expectrum as they are seem by the electorate simply as hard workers, and we are able to put behind preconcieved ideas of those Robin Hoods who are ignorant of our reality. You should maybe stop celebrating and maybe begin working to convince your own people of how the policies in your government towards drugs is killing people around the world and let us decide our own future. By the way my country´s name is COLOMBIA.

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Miguel says on Aug 16, 2004, 11:12:

Bueno Juan Tu tienes razon. And Mike 7 you should probably post your message and opinion in the political forum...BUT, since you did not... Chavez has his good points, and to see la gente en Venezuela come out and vote in big numbers was GREAT. However Mike 7, cuidate con tus palabras sobre FARC. Sabes mucho de Colombia? Digame senor. Y tambien en espanol, ok?

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daver says on Aug 16, 2004, 13:05:

***Hopefully this gives even more determination to the FARC***

Mike, you do realize this is an organization that funds itself through drugs, kidnappings, killings, and terrorism, don't you?

You want them to be more determined? What, like kill or kidnap more people? More terrorism? Become the new leaders of Col"o"mbia?

Why don't you go join FARC, and then let everyone know what you think, or perhaps let yourself be kidnapped and let your family fund their new determination through randsom money... go ahead, do it. I'm sure they will give you email access to post your opinions about the whole thing... Or go sit on one of their bombs as they blow up... ride their determination to Mars...

Give your head a shake...


Dave

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Aug 16, 2004, 14:13:

U.S. Multinationals Hmmm...You should probably do some research on the hydrocarbon industry before blaming U.S. multinationals for the woes of certain nations. In Colombia alone, which has a petro industry a small fraction of the size of Venezuela, you will find:



The state-owned EcoPetrol and a couple of the U.S.-based "super-major" oil firms but also Shell (UK and the Netherlands), British Petroleum, Repsol (Spain), Gas Natural (Spain) Petrobras (Brazil) one or two companies from Russia, one from China (I think) and a handful of Canadian E&P firms (exploration and production, separate from refining and marketing or "downstream" firms). The Spanish, Brazilian, Russian, and Chinese firms all have, or recently had, significant stakes held by their respective national governments.



In the very important coal sector you will find Drummond at La Loma (Drummond is based in Alabama) but the largest operation, Cerrejon, is equally owned by BHP Billiton/Broken Hill Proprietary (Australia and the UK), Anglo-American (UK and South Africa) and Glencore International (a private company owned mostly by Swiss investors. As a side note, Glencore is/was partly owned by Marc Rich, the tax fugitive that Bill Clinton pardoned).

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pointofview says on Aug 17, 2004, 03:30:

Mike 7 "Hopefully this gives even more determination to the FARC and Columbia follows soon."

Chévere!
Mike


I certainly hope that comment is a misprint as in it's current form it shows a lack of understanding. I guess you could always join their (Farc) cause and get a real close-up understanding of what you are commenting about.

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SiV says on Aug 17, 2004, 14:14:

Mike, the FARC and "Columbia" Does he know anything about the Farc? He doesn´t even know how to spell the name of the country.
Educate yourself, Mike, if you´re really interested in Colombia´s politics; there´s a lot of unbiased reportage and info if you look for it.


SiV

Stultórum númere infinitum est.

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