U.S. mercy group aims to heal Colombian kids

platano says on Apr 18, 2005, 19:30:

U. S. Mercy Group, or Extranjero Interference Colombiano X,

Isn't this just another case of preferring the foreigners to Colombians? Colombia has the well trained doctors. Colombia can take care of these cases. We don't need foreigners coming into Colombia like this looking for their reward in heaven.

And the article is portraying a negative image of Colombia. Flies, broken windows, operating by flashlight! A corridor "heavily guarded by military policemen"! These people are distorting and presenting a negative picture. I could paint an equally negative picture of parts of their beloved USA I have visited but it would be equally distorted.

And these gringos think they are doing great work but they are giving a black eye to Colombia in the meantime.

Plátano X, defensor de la Colombianidad

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ColombianoX says on Apr 18, 2005, 19:48:

Platano,I just see it a Platano,


I just see it as a case of people helping people. And if the foreigners don't charge anything, who can blame the people for preferring them to colombian doctors? I don't think the article is portraying a negative image of Colombia. The fact that these doctors choose to go there to help is something positive.

ColombianoX

'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

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platano says on Apr 18, 2005, 20:16:

Who can blame them, you ask, for preferring foreign doctors? Colombiano X,

Colombian doctors are world leaders! I know people in the USA who prefer to go to Colombia for medical care because the Colombian educational system is superior to the USA educational system. I know many Colombian doctors including those who have come to the USA and been "decepcionados" because the technology may be somewhat more advanced but the level of patient care and clinical diagnostic skills are inferior to Colombia. Even in terms of purely theoretical knowledge (pure sciences) the USMLE scores are the proof that Colombian doctors are just as well educated if not superior to USA-educated doctors.

I never thought I would have to defend Colombia against Colombiano X!

Plátano X, defensor de la Colombianidad

P.D. Espero que no te haya ofendido por robar tu apodo "X"

plátano

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ColombianoX says on Apr 18, 2005, 20:25:

Mi querido Platano,

You don't need to convince me about the qualifications of colombian doctors, I know very well how capable they are. What I'm saying is that when you are a POOR colombian and someone comes offering to operate your child for FREE, you're not going to care much where that person comes from. And besides, do you know of any colombian doctors who are going around, helping the poor without charging them, like this 'mercy group' is doing?

P.D. Tranquilo, me gusta que hayan mas 'Defensores de la Colombianidad', ya que Colombia necesita todos los defensores posible.

Saludes,


ColombianoX

'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

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platano says on Apr 18, 2005, 20:34:

Gringo doctors win on all counts... and iatrogenic disease? No wonder they come to Colombia: they could get their asses sued in USA!

They come to Colombia to do mercy work that will get them their rewards in heaven and if they botch the operation there is zero risk of a malpractice lawsuit because they are working with the poor Colombian children who don't have resources to sue the gringo doctors.

But I will agree with you that the price is right as long as they don't create more invalids through their incompetence. Iatrogenic disease is rampant in the USA. Do we really want incompetent poorly educated gringos operating on Colombian children? Colombia does not need gringo medical personnel spreading iatrogenic disease in Colombia and by definition the gringo medical personnel are a source of iatrogenic disease. They kill 195,000 gringos a year. Do we really want them in Colombia?

Lakewood, Colo. (July 27, 2004) – An average of 195,000 people in the U.S. died due to potentially preventable, in-hospital medical errors in each of the years 2000, 2001 and 2002, according to a new study of 37 million patient records that was released today by HealthGrades, the healthcare quality company.

For more info: http://www.iatrogenic.org/index.html

Plátano X, Defensor de la Colombianidad

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poco says on Apr 18, 2005, 20:48:

Almost nothing I am very familiar with the charity of Colombian medical professionals.

They give their charity every day. This charity is in the form of almost free medical services for those with little or NO money. In some cases the Colombian medical system provides a “lottery� for medical treatment/insurance. Perhaps 200 poor people in a town will be selected by this lottery system.

Medical delivery is COMPLETELY different. A person will stop by the pharmacy to acquire a syringe, go to the hospital to purchase medicine (very cheap) and go to a doctor to get the injection.
For the more affluent they have Clinics, complete with Hospital beds. An educated professional will receive medical insurance for these facilities, which is continued when they retire.

The displacement of MILLIONS of people from their small farms has OVERWHELMED what we in the United States refer to as “City Servies� and you can imagine what it has done to the Medical System.
ABSOLUTLY overwhelmed, how Colombia has managed to do as well as it has is amazing.

"Violence is the first refuge of the incompetent" - Isaac Asimov

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platano says on Apr 18, 2005, 20:56:

How Colombia has managed.... is amazing Yes, Colombia is the most amazing country I know.

Once traveling in Argentina a shopkeeper asked me what the inflation rate was in Colombia. At the time it was 30%. So I told him 30% and he then asked "weekly or monthly" and couldn't believe his ears when I said yearly.

Any other country ravaged by war, corruption, massive internal displacement would have buckled but Colombia seems to thrive in spite of incredible social and political problems and the reason is just as you say, Colombia is amazing and the Colombian people deserve some kind of international recognition, some kind of award for their intelligence, their spirit and their amazing capacity to love.

Plátano X, Defensor de la Colombianidad

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poco says on Apr 18, 2005, 21:06:

Post a Link To your news story.

No, the news story that is the subject of your post.

"Violence is the first refuge of the incompetent" - Isaac Asimov

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platano says on Apr 18, 2005, 21:10:

Poco, Did you mean the news story on incompetence in USA health care?

http://www.iatrogenic.org/index.html

Plátano X, Defensor de la Colombianidad
Defensor de la libertad de la locomoción en Colombia (Constitución de 1991) ¡Libertad por Ingrid Betancourt y los demás secuestrados!
DISCLAIMER: I am not objective. I am madly in love with Colombia (and a

plátano

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poco says on Apr 18, 2005, 21:36:

Link Please The medical trip,, the trip you originally posted.

Maybe lost?

"Violence is the first refuge of the incompetent" - Isaac Asimov

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ARMacleod says on Apr 18, 2005, 22:41:

Live and let live. This is unbelievable. Some people are going to help someone else and all they get is flak? Does it really matter why they are helping? Ask the person that is the recipient of the aid if they mind and then take note.

Many people from all over the world give unselfish aid to others, also all over the world. They do not ask for thanks, it is done from the heart, why do others question it, a raw nerve as to their own inadequacy perhaps?

We should all be collectively grateful for the charity that is in the soul of others, without them we would be left staring at the poverty and helplessness of those unfortunates, and pondering at, and with the guilt of our own inactivity.

Pax vobiscum.

The brain is like a parachute, it only functions correctly when it is open. Pax vobiscum.

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poco says on Apr 19, 2005, 00:35:

This subject is NOT something to TRIFLE with ,, AND alter the contents. The poster has been overworked lately trying to track all the half truths, innuendos, inaccuracies, made up stories and plagiarized descriptions contained in his posts. This is a link to the real trip,, not the edited and canned version published as filler for the news services. The New York Daily news has sunk to new lows. The edit and post was,, somewhat expected.
Plants were supposed to have feelings, alas.
Neiva Medical Trip 2004. A link on the center of the page takes you to a photo gallery, with dozens of photos of the kids, Hospital, surgeries and Medical Staff. From the looks of the photos they not only helped the kids but had a good time doing it. Photos of Hospital and operating rooms are typical for the poorer areas. The Public Hospital in Camelot is smaller and slightly nicer. Surprise: The trip sponsor was the Neiva Chamber of Commerce and the photos indicate some of the air transport was furnished by the Military. THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE

"Violence is the first refuge of the incompetent" - Isaac Asimov

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dwmte says on Apr 19, 2005, 03:56:

platano... for a man of love, you do that divine miracle an injustice. you ridicule the very messengers of hope that have come to dispense help.

no one has stated that colombia is uncapable of performing kind and cheritable deeds. it only points out the fact that like medecins sin fronteras, the american doctors have given of their talents and purse to help those less fortunate. i didn't note that they decried the colombian doctors and clinics for the situation they find themsselves.

thank GOD for the giving...

they are they ones who do GODS work. where ever they are, where ever they come from.

dw

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elmodefoque says on Apr 19, 2005, 04:54:

The reasons Americans and others are coming to Colombia and helping the poor bastards is simple, Colombia will not do it. The doctors and wealthy Colombian are too busy partying at la Zona Rosa. I was one of those poor bastards, still am, but not Colombian poor, but American poor which is like middle class in Colombia. Anyway, Colombian doctors and the wealthy do come around to see the poor and the sick but only to take pictures of kids on donkeys for their amusement.
I still remember a ship called “HOPE� that parked in el Rio Magdalena not too far from my run down neighborhood. They took my ass there to mend my broken bones (this kid hit me with a brick and smash my fingers as I was going over a wall. I gotta be honest, it all started when he cheater me outta 200 pesos and I broke a broomstick over his head and ran). The same people (Gringos) that once saved my poor ass, I later went to live with and where I found genuine caring, un selfish, un pretentious people (except republicans) and many of my best friends And don’t get me started with gringa girls, I still believe they are the most beautiful women in the planet, have you guys seen “girls gone wild� these are average white girls, WOW!!! They can’t dance for shit but man thhey are some hot, sexy women and what you see is what you get, the best sex in the world, and they loved me long time, something i can't say about colombianas.
Hi Kim, I love you!

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one. CURRAMBA, EL MEJOR VIVIDERO DEL MUNDO!

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kernow62 says on Apr 19, 2005, 05:19:

It appears as though the majority of doctors were Colombian, no? It is odd that they are not mentioned in the article posted by the press. I agree that the press article did all it could to portray Colombia in a bad light, even though the doctors from the US themselves may have had only the purest of humanitarian reasons for helping.

The article could have been written quite differently whilst still portraying the humanitarian side of the story.

It is interesting the number of accidental deaths in hospitals in the USA 195,000, how does it compare with the number of murders in Colombia at 24,000. As the number in hospitals 37 million was roughly the same as Colombia's entire populace it means you have a 800% greater chance of dying in hospital in the US than you do of being murdered in Colombia!

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platano says on Apr 19, 2005, 06:35:

Poco, I guess you were asking Colombiano X for the link? Sorry

Plátano

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kernow62 says on Apr 19, 2005, 11:05:

Colombia issues warnings to avoid visits to hospitals in the USA It is interesting the number of accidental deaths in hospitals in the USA 195,000, how does it compare with the number of murders in Colombia at 24,000. As the number in hospitals 37 million was roughly the same as Colombia's entire populace it means you have a 800% greater chance of dying in hospital in the US than you do of being murdered in Colombia!

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platano says on Apr 19, 2005, 13:02:

Colombian Hospitals are User Friendly... When I was hospitalized in Colombia my wife was allowed to sleep in the hospital room and basically be there 24x7. I thought that was a nice human gesture... just what you expect from Colombia.

Plátano

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elmodefoque says on Apr 19, 2005, 13:24:

i;m glad to hear that with the right amount of cash hospitals in colombia could be user friendly. there are many cases were people die outside emergency entrance, it happened to a lady when i was in cartagena, last year. i had a big argument with my cousin, a so called doctor about the inhumane treatment of the poor. i wanted to smash his fat head on the wall, never liked him anyway. as kids we used to screw burras, now he thinks his shit don't stink.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one. CURRAMBA, EL MEJOR VIVIDERO DEL MUNDO!

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Apr 19, 2005, 13:36:

Smash his head against the wall? And get blood on his peso-rich, pretentious POLO brand shirt? The Horror! ;-)

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utopiacowboy says on Apr 19, 2005, 13:37:

This is exactly why I stay the hell out of hospitals. Except for the time I broke my neck and got airlifted to one and I didn't have any say about that trip.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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elmodefoque says on Apr 19, 2005, 14:00:

twice as a 9 year old kid i needed to see a doctor. one time, my four finger were broken, i got hit with a brick.I walked around 8 days in agony, hospital refused to treat me with out money. i offered 2 goats, all i had, but no dice. i finally got treated by "HOPE" an american floating hospital. second time, i got kicked in the nuts by a burra, i still walk around with a nut much lower than the other.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one. CURRAMBA, EL MEJOR VIVIDERO DEL MUNDO!

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dwmte says on Apr 19, 2005, 16:08:

i have mixed experiences on col. hospitals.... in one in downtown medellin, a friend of mine is a 'mash' surgeon, treating the gunshots and knifewounds that come in in numbers every night.

he is not only a drinking friend, he's a surgeon. i let him do my first intestinal surgery. all in all...mas menos que mas.

the second incident was in clinica prado. my wife was giving birth to our son. when she started delivery, and the baby started coming out, he was born in my hands. i was sitting there holding him and hoping that our yelling would bring the attendants...nothing. the baby died in my hands...lucas danial martin (RIP) and the (*&^%# doctor, had fallen asleep and didn't come for about 45 minutes. yep, that was a bad day.

so, i'm somewhere between what elmo shares and sheer disgust. i do, however, know many fine doctors in colombia...i've just never been at the mercy of their medical services. they are social friends of mine.

dw

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bellaluna says on Apr 19, 2005, 16:58:

Incompetent gringos Jesus. What a joke. All the "incompetent gringos" ,you refer to, are trying to do is to help. They aren't looking for "rewards in heaven" and many are probably not even religious. Where are the Colombian doctors who will work on their own people for free and when are they coming to the U.S. to work in the inner cities? Drop the inferiority complex. Colombian doctors are excellent. You are the one who doesn't believe that. Signed-Gringa

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dwmte says on Apr 19, 2005, 17:04:

hoiga bellaluna... you're my kinda gringa...yesserie.

dw

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Jack Smith says on Apr 19, 2005, 17:07:

This is good Platano X! I HATE SO CALLED NOT FOR PROFITS LIKE WORLD VISION, CARE AND SAVE THE CHILDREN, but I adore and love these groups of medical teams who do go to third world countries. These professionals can and do make thousands of $$$ in the U.S. and they give something directly to the poor. The heads of CRS, World Vision, Amnesty International are paper pushers making six figure slaries running ads asking YOU to donate while showing "Maria" in a Guatemala City dump! These EXECS get rich and Maria never leaves the dump!

Yes, PLATANO, Colombian doctors could and should do more for their own poor and should forget about coming to the U.S. to make 100,00 plus a year! I am sick of immigration and especially ILLEGAL imigration to the U.S. and it is time for our politicians both D and R to shut the door or we here in America are going to be living like Colombia in 50 or 100 years! Our public schools and welfare programs are in danger thanks to Fox of Mexico and all the other corrupted polluted politicos in Latin American who refuse to take responsibility for their own peeople while they vacation in Aruba or Cancun!

These medical doctors have something to offer directly to the poor and how can you criticize that? I don't like Hugo Chavez in Venezuela
for I am not a communist but I have seen the shacks and slums of Caracas and with the billions of $ that have flowed into Venezuela because of OIL
there is no reason for the type of poverty that exists in Venezuela with just 26 million people!! Chavez has 17,000 Cuban doctors in the country and I am OK with that!

GOOD FOR THE GRINGO DOCTORS! ADELANTE Y ARRIBA!

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kernow62 says on Apr 19, 2005, 20:42:

Geez can't any of you read what was on the link that Poco posted? Most of the doctors listed are Colombian. They are helping these poor Colombians just like the US doctors and the lone Spanish doctor.

Colombia simply does not have the resources to treat every case, it is economics. I know that doesn't help when you are poor, but that is the fact of the matter. I would be much more upset if a rich country didn't take care of its poor who couldn't afford medical attention.

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miamimike says on Apr 19, 2005, 23:22:

I often wonder where all the $$$$$$$ in Venezuela went.. Here in Miami a lot of Venezuelans(very rich key biscayne types in $100000 condos)complain about those cuban doctors in venezuela's poor barrios. I guess my question is where did the Billions of Petrodollars go before Chavez came into power. If the money was invested wisely Venezuela would never be in the shape it is in today. Trouble is there latin american Presidents and politicians never seem to tire of robbing the populace-and national treasury(most recent Senor A.Aleman de Nicarauga--$92 Million-now in jail or under house arrest)They when someone like Castro or Chavez take over the country these Crooks scratch their heads and ask why. Give me a break!!

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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elmodefoque says on Apr 20, 2005, 05:29:

Colombia is a freaking classic third world country and like all third world nations, politicians steal what little wealth the country has. Those politicians and the well established wealthy families are known as the “La Mafia Blanca�
A good example, just 2 months ago I rented an apartment in Cartagena for 7 people at $110 USA dollars a night, this apartment belongs to some retired high ranking tin can Colombian military asshole. Some little nothing city representative from Bogotá was also staying in that building, a much fancier apartment, and the Colombia government was paying $250 dollars a night for a week stay. She was there to discuss poverty. A 5 minutes ride from this very fancy place there are appalling neighborhoods right en el pie de La Popa, with thousands of hungry and sick children.
Ok, USA politicians are also placed in very plush hotels, but keep in mind, USA is a freaking incredibly filthy rich country where no 9 year old kid with mangled fingers and a nearly displaced nut is going to get turned away form a hospital even after trying to pay for treatment to stop the agony with the only possession he had, two skinny goats.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one. CURRAMBA, EL MEJOR VIVIDERO DEL MUNDO!

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babygirl says on Apr 20, 2005, 07:15:

It's difficult for me to understand what it's like to not be entitled to medical care as I live in Canada. High Five to these Dr's offering their free medical services.

cheers - babygirl

cheers - babygirl

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carter says on Apr 20, 2005, 09:13:

My hospital experiences in Colombia Started out in a public hospital were I was miss diagnosed and got pretty darn sick. luckily I had travel insurance so I was able to move to the main private hospital in Bogota. It was a great hospital and the doctors fantastic but cost an arm an a leg.

I would never rely on the public hospital system here again, but Im lucky I can afford to make that decision.

My friends who work as doctors and in other projects in 3rd world countries are not doing it for heavens reward. Actually some of them are gay so despite the fact they have done more to follow Gods word than most Catholics according to the pope they'll go to hell.


note to self: get more travel insurance

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kernow62 says on Apr 20, 2005, 10:40:

Yes, Elmo but if you needed a transplant or cancer treatment, or any other long term treatment and didn't have money in the US or insurance you sure would be turned away at the door. Such a filthy rich country as you describe it, could do more for the health of its citizens. However weapons of mass destruction cost a lot of money.

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Jack Smith says on Apr 20, 2005, 12:52:

Illegals too? kernow 62 Yeah tell me about it? Illegal immigrants from MEXICOOOOOOO show up fat and pregnant at the delivery room with NO insurance and the child is born with COMPLICATIONS and the child spends 6 weeks in the hospital and it costs $500,000 and who pays for it? WE ALL DO because a rotten Supreme Court says we have to treat ILLEGAL immigrants and then they show up at our PUBLIC schools and the same SUPREME court says EDUCATE the ILLEGALS and who pays for that and if you are a CITIZEN and you send your kids to these ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT schools your kid suffers cause they have to CATER to Illegals and the school are rotten and anyone with $$$ runs to a white school where the kids learn and then the cry baby Hispanic groups cry racism cause their own kids skip school (400 out of 2000 at a predominately Hispanic school in Denver a few weeks ago?! Now, this is screwed up kernow 62! REALLY SCREWED UP!

Can you say the word DEPORTATION?

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elmodefoque says on Apr 20, 2005, 12:55:

The lady I mentioned earlier died outside a hospital in Cartagena of DENGUE, an easily treatable (even in Colombia) stomach virus. I was never so ashamed of Colombia and was tempted to hunt down every polo wearing Colombianito I saw.
Tomorrow I’m posting a pic of my mangled finger, I ‘m taking that reminder of how Colombia treats the poor (me) to my grave. The hell with a grave, dump my ass in the Hudson River, West 125 st. to be exact.

damn. jack, you really hate illegal immigrants, what is the name of your tribe, are you northern cheyenne, sioux, seminole, apache , please tell me.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one. CURRAMBA, EL MEJOR VIVIDERO DEL MUNDO!

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Jack Smith says on Apr 20, 2005, 12:56:

Gays? [Comments deleted. Please review the rules. -Moderators]

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elmodefoque says on Apr 20, 2005, 12:56:

can you say the word, murderous thief.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one. CURRAMBA, EL MEJOR VIVIDERO DEL MUNDO!

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elmodefoque says on Apr 20, 2005, 12:59:

i love to continue this but i gotta go home, the illegal mexican guy delivers my dinner around 5 pm.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one. CURRAMBA, EL MEJOR VIVIDERO DEL MUNDO!

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Jack Smith says on Apr 20, 2005, 13:00:

Right on miamimike Good post up there.....!!!

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kernow62 says on Apr 20, 2005, 13:23:

Jack the illegals cost little in comparison to the cost of weapons, I do not lay the blame squarely on the unfortunate poor as you do, rather on the out of control military spending. A lot of illegals never seek hospital care because they are afraid to be deported, same reason they don't report domestic abuse. Besides Texas is part of Mexico.

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utopiacowboy says on Apr 20, 2005, 17:01:

"cry baby Hispanic groups"? Don't look now, Jack, but the "white man's" day is over. It's a whole different country where Latinos are going to have a lot of power. Personally I welcome it and as far as I am concerned every Mexican who wants to work can come to Texas. Because that's what they do is work.

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kernow62 says on Apr 20, 2005, 17:07:

Utopia you've got that right. Every construction foreman or landscape supervisor I have talked to says that their workers from Mexico and Guatemala will do three times more work in a day than an American worker. Since they work hard and for less money it is only a matter of time before we will all be listening to banda music, except Jack.

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elmodefoque says on Apr 21, 2005, 10:09:

My freaking mangled pinky

My freaking mangled pinky, one of a number of reminders of my youth as a typical poor colombiano (80% population). All four of my fingers were broken after I got hit with a brick as I was holding on to a wall. At 9 years old I was trying to climb over a freaking wall to avoid from getting kill. After 8 days of agony, HOPE, an American floating hospital, put my fingers in place but 2 months after their left I got hit with a stick in the same hand and once again broke that damn pinky. I was lucky, my friend (el cachaco Alfonso) also 9 years old fell off a tall tamarindo tree and broke both his legs, complete fracture, I could still hear the sound of broken bone, and it sounds just like breaking a dry up tree branch. The poor bastard’s family of course had no money for hospital so had to stay home for many months, in horrible pain. HOPE was not around. Now he has horrible disfigured legs and need crutches to walk. I fell off mango, ciruela, tamarindo, you name it, I fell from it! hey, Tarzan I was not! But all I got was my air knocked out. And we are the lucky ones; many poor people in Colombia are still dying from simple sickness. In poor neighborhood you see a lot of modefoques walking around with broken bones, missing eye, many toothless ugly sonamanbiches. You might think they all have perfect vision, you don’t see any with glasses, well the fact is, they aint got no money for glasses so many of them can’t see where the f—k they’re going.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one. CURRAMBA, EL MEJOR VIVIDERO DEL MUNDO!

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babygirl says on Apr 21, 2005, 10:31:

I love Canada people. Elmo you're still a cutie, can I kiss your finger better? xoxo

Jack, please remember that the majority of us were immigrants at one point or another. Where I live the immigrants do all the shit jobs that most white trash welfare cases consider themselves too good for. Then those same people turn around and bitch about immigrants stealing all the jobs. Go figure.

cheers - babygirl

cheers - babygirl

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elmodefoque says on Apr 21, 2005, 10:40:

baby, gracias mi amor, did i tell you that my thing is also disfigured, it got like that when a burra kicked me in my nuts.
and like my pinky finger it does not bend, it stays straight, in attention all the time

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one. CURRAMBA, EL MEJOR VIVIDERO DEL MUNDO!

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babygirl says on Apr 21, 2005, 10:49:

poor poor baby... does that mean you want me to kiss that better too?

XXX

cheers - babygirl

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elmodefoque says on Apr 21, 2005, 10:54:

si, si, si, porfavor. kiss it for a long time, esta todo inchao

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one. CURRAMBA, EL MEJOR VIVIDERO DEL MUNDO!

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kernow62 says on Apr 21, 2005, 14:34:

Don't get him started Babygirl. I can just see Elmo nodding his head up and down nodding si si si with his tongue hanging out.

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Miguel says on Apr 22, 2005, 00:16:

Latino work ethic I cringe when some stupid ass gringo tells those stereotypical "mañana" jokes about mexicans being lazy; in my experience most latinos are hard working modofoques. ¿Entiendes Jack Smith? I can't determine if you are a cracker or a redneck, or both.

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carter says on Apr 22, 2005, 12:19:

elmo I come from a middle class Australian family and I have a deformed finger, crooked nose and a dozen scars. Ive broken nearly every bone in my body at least once.

You can have the best hospitals in the world but If as a kid you do alot of stupid things, have an older brother who is crazy or play physical sports your bound to end up with a few crooked body parts in later life.

As for your friend with the broken legs though thats sad

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babygirl says on Apr 22, 2005, 17:59:

Carter I'm not kissing anymore body parts ok? Does Carter play rugby?

cheers - babygirl

cheers - babygirl

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carter says on Apr 23, 2005, 08:04:

Babygirl, Maybe if you saw some of my body parts you'd change... ...your mind?

Now im sounding like Elmo

AFL Australian football, but most scars and breaks came from a crazy brother.

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